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		<description><![CDATA[小乔（林志玲）前往曹营给操（张丰毅）沏茶，说了一段其实很多人都明白的话：你的杯子是满的，当然什么都装不下了。 我以为，这是吴导在暗示观众：别装满了来看，不然你会看得很不爽。嘿嘿。 中国人很多人都知道《三国演义》，草草翻过的人不计其数（但熟读的人，我还真以为没几个）。心里装着那本《三国演义》，当然横看竖看都不爽。如果碰到一些个看过《三国志》的大拿，那就更火星四溅了：靠，这不是污蔑俺们历史么？ 唉，商业娱乐片就是商业娱乐片，揣着《演义》或《志》去的，那叫自找没趣。 既然是电影，我们就得看看场面啦，配乐啦，故事啦，演员演技啦，诸如此类的东西，至于它背后想反映导演的什么宏大深刻意义，那是研究者的事（我当年硕士论文就是写《无极》的意义，写得那个叫苦）。都是老百姓，那么当真干球。 说说这部电影的诸位演员吧。 我个人以为，演得最好的，是孙权（张震），孙权是一个很阴的人。三国三大老板各有一个字来反应他们的性格，操为“霸”、备为“伪”，权则是“阴”。不晓得是不是本色出演，张震演得孙权让我左看右看总觉得背上有毛，阴这个字，演到位了。 其次则是梁朝伟，不愧是影帝级的人物。如果上集还有些易先生的影子的话（没办法，上集有床戏），下集就有些“谈笑间强虏灰飞烟灭”的味道了。 张丰毅的曹操也相当不错，去除那些比较现代化的台词，那种霸气是相当淋漓尽致的。也许为了更好地衬托出他的这种霸，身边谋臣猛将，连个名字都不给。倒是蒋干，为了要杀蔡瑁张允，只好给个有名有姓的角色了。 最差的当属小金的诸葛亮了。不过，我很怀疑是吴导有意让诸葛亮在他的《赤壁》中扮演一个有点小丑似的角色。如果导演意图如此，小金也没什么演得不好的地方。唉，这个诸葛亮，老会让我想起文丑丑。 既然说到导演意图了，就不得不再罗嗦一下这部电影的意义了。国人普遍受到《三国演义》尊刘抑曹的影响，很多人粉刘备以及刘备阵营的人，有些逆反心理的，就会喜欢曹操以及曹操阵营的人，独独这个东吴，在演义中，总是给人一种偏安一方、桌子底下使坏的感觉。在演义中，我们的感觉是一刘二曹三孙权的。 偏偏这次吴宇森是要颠覆这种格局的，《赤壁》很明显是一孙二曹三刘备。东吴一方，几乎个个都是重要角色，曹操一方，曹操一霸就够了，而刘备呢，手下的人不是插科打诨式的诸葛亮，就是只有匹夫之勇的关张赵（后来那个缠着白头斤的是不是刘琦？）。甘宁那叫死得一个壮烈，就连小兵，也是孙权兵比刘备兵更让占镜头。 如此格局，遭骂就不奇怪了，因为这就是：文化冲突。 BTW：我很喜欢这个电影的配乐，以及最后那个空灵的主题曲，很好地衬托了影片最后一句台词：我们都输了。 Copyleft &#169; 2010 知识共享署名-非商业性使用-禁止演绎 注意：转载勿改标题！ItTalks -- 魏武挥的Blog (digitalfingerprint:fc4f8fc31f70097eea4b780b13146415) 欢迎 浏览我收集的信息图 关注我的微博 访问我的分享 与本日志可能相关的文章有：赤壁 (4)赵氏孤儿 以及 让子弹飞 (13)天降美食 Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs (1)《Boston Legal》S02E02.Schadenfreude (18)《Boston Legal》S02E01.The black widow (2)《Boston Legal》S01E17.Death Be Not Proud (1)《Boston Legal》S01E16.Let Sales Ring (4)《Boston Legal》S01E15.Tourtured Souls [...]<table class="wumii-related-items" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="3" border="0"  style="clear: both;">
    
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://weiwuhui.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/chibi.jpg" rel="lightbox[1195]"><img style="border-bottom: 0px; border-left: 0px; margin: 0px 10px 10px 0px; display: inline; border-top: 0px; border-right: 0px" title="chibi" src="http://weiwuhui.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/chibi-thumb.jpg" border="0" alt="chibi" width="161" height="244" align="left" /></a> 小乔（林志玲）前往曹营给操（张丰毅）沏茶，说了一段其实很多人都明白的话：你的杯子是满的，当然什么都装不下了。</p>
<p>我以为，这是吴导在暗示观众：别装满了来看，不然你会看得很不爽。嘿嘿。</p>
<p>中国人很多人都知道《三国演义》，草草翻过的人不计其数（但熟读的人，我还真以为没几个）。心里装着那本《三国演义》，当然横看竖看都不爽。如果碰到一些个看过《三国志》的大拿，那就更火星四溅了：靠，这不是污蔑俺们历史么？</p>
<p>唉，商业娱乐片就是商业娱乐片，揣着《演义》或《志》去的，那叫自找没趣。</p>
<p>既然是电影，我们就得看看场面啦，配乐啦，故事啦，演员演技啦，诸如此类的东西，至于它背后想反映导演的什么宏大深刻意义，那是研究者的事（我当年硕士论文就是写《无极》的意义，写得那个叫苦）。都是老百姓，那么当真干球。</p>
<p>说说这部电影的诸位演员吧。</p>
<p>我个人以为，演得最好的，是孙权（张震），孙权是一个很阴的人。三国三大老板各有一个字来反应他们的性格，操为“霸”、备为“伪”，权则是“阴”。不晓得是不是本色出演，张震演得孙权让我左看右看总觉得背上有毛，阴这个字，演到位了。</p>
<p>其次则是梁朝伟，不愧是影帝级的人物。如果上集还有些易先生的影子的话（没办法，上集有床戏），下集就有些“谈笑间强虏灰飞烟灭”的味道了。</p>
<p>张丰毅的曹操也相当不错，去除那些比较现代化的台词，那种霸气是相当淋漓尽致的。也许为了更好地衬托出他的这种霸，身边谋臣猛将，连个名字都不给。倒是蒋干，为了要杀蔡瑁张允，只好给个有名有姓的角色了。</p>
<p>最差的当属小金的诸葛亮了。不过，我很怀疑是吴导有意让诸葛亮在他的《赤壁》中扮演一个有点小丑似的角色。如果导演意图如此，小金也没什么演得不好的地方。唉，这个诸葛亮，老会让我想起文丑丑。</p>
<p>既然说到导演意图了，就不得不再罗嗦一下这部电影的意义了。国人普遍受到《三国演义》尊刘抑曹的影响，很多人粉刘备以及刘备阵营的人，有些逆反心理的，就会喜欢曹操以及曹操阵营的人，独独这个东吴，在演义中，总是给人一种偏安一方、桌子底下使坏的感觉。在演义中，我们的感觉是一刘二曹三孙权的。</p>
<p>偏偏这次吴宇森是要颠覆这种格局的，《赤壁》很明显是一孙二曹三刘备。东吴一方，几乎个个都是重要角色，曹操一方，曹操一霸就够了，而刘备呢，手下的人不是插科打诨式的诸葛亮，就是只有匹夫之勇的关张赵（后来那个缠着白头斤的是不是刘琦？）。甘宁那叫死得一个壮烈，就连小兵，也是孙权兵比刘备兵更让占镜头。</p>
<p>如此格局，遭骂就不奇怪了，因为这就是：文化冲突。</p>
<p>BTW：我很喜欢这个电影的配乐，以及最后那个空灵的主题曲，很好地衬托了影片最后一句台词：我们都输了。</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://weiwuhui.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/s3129627.jpg" rel="lightbox[749]"><img style="border-right: 0px; border-top: 0px; margin: 0px 10px 10px 0px; border-left: 0px; border-bottom: 0px" src="http://weiwuhui.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/s3129627-thumb.jpg" border="0" alt="s3129627" width="160" height="244" align="left" /></a> 吴宇森的大片是一定要看的，特别是这种涉及到三国演义经典桥段的片子。事实上，在三国（正史）中，包括赤壁在内的三大战役（官渡和彝陵），全部是以弱胜强且奠定历史走向的重大战争。官渡之战确立了曹魏的一统北方，赤壁之战确立了划江而治，彝陵之战则最终奠定三分天下。</p>
<p>不过，受三国演义影响极深的人，更愿意反复欣赏赤壁。官渡是曹袁两家恶势力的纠斗，彝陵则是天字头号明君刘备的失败，只有赤壁，把曹操杀得丢盔弃甲，八十三万大军付之一炬，实在是很过瘾的事。</p>
<p>赤壁之战，同另外两场战役一样，本质上不是纯军事实力的比拼，而是智谋的较量。双方你来我往都是智慧的搏杀，真正开打时，一个夜晚就结束了。这一点，其实是拍中国史诗般大片需要牢牢记住的关节点。西方人的史诗式的片子注重于场面、搏杀、暴力美学，也没什么，上千年前，他们就是这种靠蛮力取胜的国度或民族。但中国人不一样，中国人讲究上兵伐谋，象冉闵这样即使能喊出“天下大乱，尔曹夷狄禽兽之类尤称帝，况我中土英雄呼！”的豪言壮语的，毕竟少了智谋，在中国军事史上并无太高地位。</p>
<p>说到底，赤壁其实是一场文戏，而不是一场武戏。就像三国演义中那样，从舌辩开始，到群英会、连环计，一路下来，玩的都是智慧，也都是火烧赤壁那场武戏的铺垫。当然，电影毕竟是电影，也不能太闷了，但赤壁大战的架构足可以满足这个需求：赵子龙长坂恶斗一场武戏为头，黄公覆撅着屁股去烧船为尾，中间大把你坑我我算你为身，标准的虎头猪身豹子尾的架构。</p>
<p>吴氏真得没有吃透这个三国的经典桥段，以为是不折不扣的战争片。至于一些小细节，比如“萌萌站起来”、“我需要扇子保持冷静”都是些不是问题的问题。创造人员也不是没花心思，关公教书张飞练字，都还是有迹可循的，一个读春秋，一个的确是书法家，怎么不可以教书练字呢？</p>
<p>曹操的两千骑兵只是试探，电影已经花了如此大的功夫，我真得蛮好奇真正的火烧赤壁他该怎么拍。所以，这个下部，我依然还是会去看的。</p>
<p>所谓少不读水浒（怕你年轻气盛去做强盗），老不读三国（怕你老了还成天算计人），就是这个意思了。水浒是武戏，而三国，则是文戏。</p>
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